djt's gonna make America
Great Again even if it
Destroys us. which
it likely will. The
pain and agony
have Arrived

well
I should
Say for Most
of Us. others've
had the Jackboot on
their Necks for -- how old are we?

Reading McCall’s summary of the executive order, I thought, “Gee, setting aside the constitutional issues of equal protection and due process, I don’t think the president has statutory authority to do this.”

But having now read the text of the order on the White House webpage, I’m convinced the president does have statutory authority. The meaty parts of the order do not directly defund pediatric trans care but rather order the pediatric healthcare-involved agencies (mainly CMS and TRICARE) to take regulatory and sub-regulatory action to get them out of the pediatric trans care business. That’s certainly within the president’s and agencies’ statutory authority, provided they march through the APA process. So that only leaves the constitutional questions as a potential bar to this order.

Just as we all feared, Trump 2.0 is much savvier and better-organized than Trump 1.0. Some of this stuff is likely to stick.

This is just the start, the far right is going to be up in your business with morality laws. Gay marriage isn't far behind

@5
Yup, we’ll be married filing separately soon.
It’s a great time to be a federal lawyer, with all the lawsuits now and in the near future. I expect to need a lawyer shortly. If you make $20 million per year it’s great for you, but will suck for everyone else.

Oops was for @4
(need 1more cup of coffee)

@7 hey thin air has a website! How lucky for us.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/

"A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1%"

"Based on this review, there is an extremely low prevalence of regret in transgender patients after GAS."

Anyway, continue your unqualified/baseless postulations and speculations.

More trans people regret delaying their transition than those who regret transitioning at all. There is no such thing as a regret-free elective medical care but gender transition has lower rates of regret than any other procedure you can name. The care is deliberate and incremental and everything short of surgery is reversible anyway. If you or your child are not trans none of this is any of your fucking business.

None of this is about protecting kids. They are using trans people as a wedge issue and a distraction while they do everything they can to trample on the constitution and our democracy and there are way too many ignorant people and outright bigots who fall for this shit.

Hey Dale, that study you linked to focuses on adult transitioners and Trumps EO is for youth. Some of the studies at least have decent follow up times, but just over 25% had no follow up time frames listed. I think the older people are when they transition, the more likely they to have a better understanding of themselves.

And it looks like there are more non-medicalized trans youth than there are medicalized, if that's correct then this doesn't directly impact most trans identifying youth directly.

If the regret rates are really as low as Vivian states then the Doctor's and medical institutions don't have much to worry about with the expanded liability that this EO puts them under.

I would have rather had this work it way through the courts under a Harris administration.

@10 That's because there aren't ANY children having actual sex change operations to study. It's not a thing that actually happens. There are no people at schools chopping off kids weiners no matter how much Trump and his goons want you to believe there are. The nurses can't even give a kid a baby aspirin without calling their parents. Good lord.

@7 Nobody is trying to give children sex changes. Gender affirming care can be as simply as having a doctor or psychiatrist to discuss their feelings with. And if it gets as far as puberty blockers, they're reversible if the kid changes their mind. You know... completely unlike my circumcision which I had absolutely zero say in.

@7, The belief that this administration won’t fuck over gay people because he has a gay secretary of whatever is the kind of shallow, credulous thinking that helped bring him back to power in the first place. Trump is also buddies with Caitlyn Jenner yet that hasn’t stopped him from trampling all over her dignity, assuming she has any. LGBTQ rights are of no consequence to you anyway so if you could kindly keep my community’s name out of your glib, ignorant mouth when you’re rationalizing his authoritarianism it would be greatly appreciated.

Sure, several American medical associations still agree with the underlying premise of "gender affirming care" but the UK says it's not medically necessary care and it causes more harm than good. Other European nations have similarly halted care for under-18s. Seems like we should proceed with the utmost caution and keep the hippocratic oath to do no harm in mind. Watchful waiting and counseling should be the treatment modality until adulthood.

@14 literally none of what you said is true beyond the american medical establishment recognizing that gender affirming care is safe and effective

@15 - I said they bought into the premise. I did not say such care was safe or effective. Please let me speak for myself. Thanks!

@11
Lots of trans adults don't get sex change operations, are you saying that they are somehow not trans?

16 i don’t care what some random idiot on the internet thinks about medicine and i didn’t imply anything about your stupid opinions beyond pointing out that they’re based on a bunch of bullshit you pulled out of your ass

@12 I don't think talking to a therapist counts as "gender affirming care" by anyone's definition. No one is going to be denied access to therapy due to this.

Misguided as I'm sure the right is on this topic, they DO think that children are being given sex changes and / or drugs that can do irreversible damage, and are trying to act with good intentions. This has nothing to do with eventually reversing gay marriage rights.

It seems that the correct tactic would be to get them accurate information so everyone can get on the same page. If children aren't getting sex changes (and last I checked, children weren't even allowed to get tattoos), then we should be able to do that. Though I doubt that will happen, since neither side seems interested in actually listening to the other.

@9: "everything short of surgery is reversible anyway"

Not true

@9 "If you or your child are not trans none of this is any of your fucking business."
Surprise surprise! Let's silence people who disagree with us by 'gatekeeping' who may when and what about. Typical lefty move, playbook 101.

Correction: "who may speak when, and what about"